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23 01 2009
Richard Hamilton

Thanks, have been trying to make up my own mind for a year, and I think you have just made all the relevant good points for and against
Thanks

26 01 2009
Stuart

Glad to help Richard.

29 01 2009
s2art

Nice succinct round up thanks, guess I’m doing something wrong, with aperture on my laptop, the initial import of my images was so slow and long, I nearly completely gave up. Sadly though as an educator, I’m going to keep in mind that many of my students use and prefer the other operating system, so Lightroom may win out here, at work:- http://pic.org.au

29 01 2009
Stuart

It’d be interesting to know which version of Aperture you’re using; version 2 is vastly improved in the speed department. You Aperture library may also need to be checked and optimised (hold down the command / option keys as you start Aperture and you’ll be prompted to check your library). Lightroom is a very good piece of software and I would have no hesitation in recommending it – really comes down to personal preference in the end.

28 09 2009
Stephen Eastop

Thanks for your thoughts. I agree entirely however I think I will settle on Lightroom as Aperture 2 does not support files exported from my new Leica D-Lux 4 and is consistently slow at expanding its interface with new cameras: waited a good long time for my D300 to be included.

5 10 2009
anastasia

Thanks for this. I need to organize about 10,000 older images with tags. It seems that you’d recommend Aperture for this b/c of speed. Yes? I’m leaning toward lightroom because I know photoshop well and it’s a bit cheaper with educational discount…but don’t want to be tortured if it’s bulky and slow.

Ta~Anastasia

13 10 2009
Stuart

Anastasia, both are available for 30 day trials. I’d recommend downloading one, try it for 30 days and then download and try the other. After 60 days use you should have a good idea of which to settle with as well as the beginnings of a great catalog in each.

10 10 2009
Joern

Thanks for the overview – I’m a long time Aperture user (since 1.5) and still love it very much, but the sometimes annoying lags in it (22K+ pictures) plus the better editing options in LR made me check out the latter to see how it fares. After a bit of playing around, I decided that I really really don’t like the LR interface – Aperture seems to make much better use of the limited real estate on my 15″ laptop. So I I’ll be sticking to Aperture and keep roundtripping to my favorite image editing software for everything that Aperture can’t handle.

BR/Joern

13 10 2009
Stuart

Try splitting your files into multiple projects. Tiny previews can also contribute to lag. With a library of that size, a little extra memory wouldn’t go amiss.

10 10 2009
Laurence Svirchev

Mr. Forsyth:
I have what I think is an unusual question. I store very few photos on the computer for available-space reasons. For backup, I cut DVDs and also store on a discrete hard drive. What I would like is a program that would store kb-sized thumbnail and meta-data on the computer which will tell me where the full photos are. Any thoughts?
Thanks for your fine site,
Laurence

13 10 2009
Stuart

A program like Lightroom would allow you to add media from removable drives and CDs/DVDs. The images would exist in your catalog where you could view them and include them in smart searches. If you wanted to process them then you’d need to bring the correct media online. Also beware of storing anything of value on DVDs. A recent study found that a high percentage of optical disks over 10 years old were unrecoverable.

11 10 2009
Barney

Maybe I’ve missed it, but wahat about the the most important aspect of any RAW conversion software, that is the quality of the RAW conversion?

My gut feel is that Lightroom doesn’t do as good a job as Capture One in this aspect, but I’m really interested to see whether Aperture also gives more pleasing results than Lightroom.

Barney

13 10 2009
Stuart

I’ve had a look and play with Capture One however I can’t really see any noticeable difference myself. I have seen the screenshots on the Capture One website but feel they may have a little bit of a biased viewpoint. Also the program feels very very rough around the edges compared with the competition; I feel like I’m back working in a Lightroom/Capture NX hybrid and the price point for the software is outrageous. I’m not saying that it’s not great software, just not something that I want to use at this point.

27 05 2010
Don Pope

I noticed something quite interesting regarding Apple and RAW. The Apple RAW converters vary considerably in quality depending on the camera.

I use Nikon View NX as a benchmark, since Nikon knows how to convert their own format 100%. For my old Nikon D70, the RAW conversion was OK, but not very accurate. It required manual tweaking to get the image to look like like the one in View NX. For my new D90 Apple has done a fantastic job. The images look very close to View NX’s and even when they are slightly different, Apple’s interpretation is excellent.

PS – I say Apple instead of Aperture because iPhoto and any other program that uses the Apple RAW conversion APIs gets the same results.

12 10 2009
Ruben

Thanks a lot for such a comparative thing.
This help me to decide.
I am agree with you on Aperture.

16 10 2009
Brian

Just a note about the UI for LR. The problem you describe with the side panels re-appearing when you mouse over them is completely customizable – as are many of the parts of the UI. You can set them to only be visible when you click to reveal them, if you don’t like the auto-hide feature (which I actually find to be a time saver). You also have great control over how the various tools stack and compress, which I find of great value on a laptop.

16 10 2009
anastasia

Thanks for this. I think I’m going to go with Lightroom as I sometimes import on my PC at work, which rules out Aperture.

I’m on my way to Oz next month, and keeping coming across Australians on the internet. Funny how that is. Thanks again!

24 10 2009
Paco

Thanks! This really helped.

5 11 2009
thingswemake

Great review, thanks. Makes me feel better about having Aperture preinstalled on my Mac when everyone else is praising LR. Would like to have the ability to have the adjustment brush though. Any advice on what filters plugin is best to use? Considering Nik Colour Efex.

6 11 2009
john

I superficially messed around with both for about 2 years and decided on Aperture. I imported and key worded 50,000 images in a couple of weeks with Aperture which I did not do with LR.

My final decision came down to hardware. Since I work on a MacPro 8 core Nehalem I thought Apple would tweak Aperture for maximum performance on the Mac whereas Adobe LR would always be always a little slower to take advantage of new OS capabilities.

Once you decide you’ll probably stay with that program. Both are incredible workflow tools and comfort and speed are gained with familiarity.

I don’t think you’ll go wrong with either product.

9 01 2010
Kim

thanks for this review, has been very helpful in helping me to decide which way to go….as I am a mac user I think I will go with aperture. Very informative …thanks

13 01 2010
shandells

Thanks for this review. The vault sold me on this program, as well as the support and classes I can take at my local Apple store. I am in need of one area to store all of my images and LR did not force my hand. I have tried both on the free trial basis and Aperture

19 01 2010
drbarber

I’ve been using Lightroom for years on my Windows machine. I recently decided to give mac a try and was wondering the same thing about Aperture versus Lightroom. I think that for now I will maintain Lightroom on my Windows PC and use Aperture on this new Mac. Both programs integrate well with their respective platforms. I actually use Adobe Creative Master Suite – so it is an even more difficult choice.

19 01 2010
Aperture versus Lightroom - Dan's Domain

[...] I searched around and found a comparison on another blog that I think does a great job of comparing the two programs here. [...]

1 02 2010
mark g

Stuart, thanks for the awesome review! I was an Aperture user and was romanced by the adjustment brush and am now using LR. I am missing the UI of Aperture and the integration with iLife and a few other things. You wrote this in your review when talking about the adjustment brush, can you maybe tell a little more on how to do this? VERY interested.

Note: Aperture users can export to camera RAW in Photoshop CS4 (Photoshop can be set to open TIF files and JPGs in Camera RAW) and have the entire range of lightroom adjustment tools available.

11 02 2010
Aperture 3 mini review, some early thoughts. « STUART FORSYTH .com

[...] So off the back of two posts from last year I will give a quick round-up of my early thoughts on Aperture 3.  I downloaded the application last night and have not had time to fully immerse myself in it so the extended review is still a week or more away but in What I'd need in Aperture 3 to make me move back from Lightroom I looked at some of the pros and cons of a tool which I loved and compared to Lightroom. [...]

21 03 2010
GB

Stuart, Take of that heavy armor for a moment…

thank you for the summary of the two products. I’m a seasoned amateur looking good photo file management to start and using additional features as need requires. As a recent convert from Windows to Mac, I’m finding i need more pro tools than iphoto, of course.

27 03 2010
Chris

Stuart,

Are you married? Did you go through such a thorough examination of the options available before making your decision to tie the knot? Did you abandon the challenge altogether? Or are you continuing to “operate” with two or more options in this arena as well? (not recommended)

Thanks for your review. You saved me a lot of time. I wish I had someone give me such clear advice when I agonized over taking the leap into my first marraige.

But I am curious why you didn’t stop at
“…is one slick program”
or
“… ‘hiding’ more complex aspects of itself until you need it … very understated but …incredibly powerful… whereas (the other) seems to throw the lot at you in an often times confusing manner.”

I must admit, the latter sounds like my first wife. :-)

27 03 2010
Stuart

How you made the jump from a software review to marriage is anyones guess but glad you found the review useful. It is worth noting that this review covers previous versions of both Aperture and Lightroom..

7 04 2010
andrewwoodhousepps

Interesting comparison Stuart and should be useful for a lot of folks. I’ve been using Aperture for years and personally prefer its interface and adjustments to those in Lightroom. I found Aperture 3 to be a little resource intensive when it was first launched, but the 3.0.1 and 3.0.2 updates have dramatically improved it in this respect.

With the new beta version of Lightroom now offering video (important with the convergence of stills and video) too they’re so closely matched that it really boils down to personal preference.

8 04 2010
Stuart

I couldn’t agree more. They’re two great apps and one will fit better than the other based on preference.

I think it’s going to be gloves off for Apple & Adobe when it comes to video. I expect to see both companies leveraging their pro video apps for better functionality & tighter integration with Aperture & Lightroom.

9 04 2010
Don Pope

I’ve been trying out both programs (Ap3 & Lr2) for a few days. So far I like them both, but I like Aperture’s price tag a bit better.

What I want to know is: Is there something that you can do to a photo in one of the programs that you can’t do in the other?

9 04 2010
Don Pope

… and I mean without using external tools or plugins.

9 04 2010
Stuart

Good start Don, I’d recommend that course of action to anyone wanting to learn about more advanced photo management options. Both programs are really sophisticated and provide more than the average user will need or want in terms of image manipulation and adjustments. Over time they have piggy-backed off one anothers strengths. Aperture 2 didn’t have anywhere near as strong a capability when it came to non-destructive image adjustments compared to LR. Aperture 3 has jumped ahead in that area again with their non destructive brush adjustments. LR has a really nice gradient filter I wish Aperture had.

I guess the short answer is choice should not really be based on trying to compare features. Both programs are loaded with too many to count and each is getting better all the time. Choice should come down to price and more importantly what program feels right and fits your management style.

18 04 2010
Sam Johnston

I’ve been torn between the two but given that they are essentially neck and neck, that Adobe are playing catchup (Aperture 3 is already stable at 3.0.2 while LR is in beta), that Aperture will import the girlfriend’s extensive iPhoto library *and* that Aperture will apparently work over the network from my NAS I think my mind’s made up now.

It doesn’t help that Lightroom is currently 50% more expensive than Aperture!

Sam

19 04 2010
Don Pope

After trying Aperture 3 and Lightroom 3 beta 2 intensively for a week I have concluded that they are quite evenly matched in features. The decision comes down to personal taste (and maybe price).

To me, the most important features both are lacking are lens correction and perspective control. I shoot mostly wide (10mm-20mm DX) and perspective correction is a must. Both programs require a plugin like PTLens to handle this (tack on another $25 to the price).

I also found out that Nikon Capture NX renders RAW images better than either of them straight out of the camera (which means less fiddling later on), and that it’s “Control Points” are nearly magical. Unfortunately, the rest of NX’s user interface looks like it was designed by programmers (not a good thing). It is clunky, ugly, buggy and outdated.

Finally, I found the poor man’s substitute for all of these programs: iPhoto + Photoshop Elements 8. With this combination you can do even more image processing than you can with the others for only $62. (iPhoto is pre-installed on your Mac, and PSE8 is $82 minus a $20 rebate) The main drawback is that you lose the non-destructive RAW processing when you do a roundtrip to PSE.

I processed the same set of photos (about 20) over and over again using all 4 options and I could not see that one produced results that were clearly superior.

Don

10 05 2010
Mike Kay

Thanks for the great article!
May I ask what most professional photographers with millions of raw images are using ???
Also did not understand the comparison between the two (I will be using video & still images together)
Thank You

27 05 2010
Michael

Good Overview – thx! Might be interesting to have a look at current editions – Lightroom 2 IMHO has greatly improved speed compared to its predecessor.

In addition I’d like to add that the “annoying sidebars” problem is solved at least since Lightroom 2.x – think this feature even has been present in LR 1, but not sure: If you right click on the expansion button of these bars, you can select wether the bar will collapse/expand on mouse over or on mouse click.

Took me a while to find this out, though – guess the UI comment is still valid after all this time ;o). On the other hand I’ve worked with quite a bit of workflow and catalogue software so far (not with Aperture since PC user) and have to say IMHO LR in general is one of the better solutions out there.

28 05 2010
James Campbell

Great overview. Glad you went with Aperture. I was stuck myself, but Aperture 3 ultimately won out for me as well. My full list of reasons here: http://swayy.net/top-3-reasons-why-i-chose-aperture-3-over-lig

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